Why Zoom Video Communications Stock Was Down Nearly 7% Today | The Motley Fool.Zoom stock just crashed — here’s the simplest reason why
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They also answer a listener’s question about creating a new basket of stocks. Finally, Bill is pitching a Christmas movie idea to Chris, and much more. To catch full episodes of all The Motley Fool’s free podcasts, check out our podcast center. To get started investing, check out our quick-start guide to investing in stocks. A full transcript follows the video.
Chris Hill: It’s Tuesday, December 1st. Welcome to MarketFoolery. I’m Chris Hill, with me today, Mr. Bill Barker. Good to see you. Hill: We’ve got retail news, we’ve got a question about the next potential war on something, and I’m not talking about, you know, global wars, I’m talking about, you know, like the War on Cash, that kind of thing.
Bill has a Christmas movie to pitch me. Let me say upfront, that’s going to be in the second half of the show, we’re going to try and keep tangents to the second half of the show. So, let’s jump right in with Zoom Video. Third quarter results for Zoom Video were better than expected. Guidance for the fourth quarter was not what Wall Street wanted to hear.
Barker: Yeah, far from a death knell, I would say. I think it’s basically confirmation that the floor underneath this stock is very, very, very secure or the floor under the company.
The ceiling gets reduced as, you know, the vaccine news comes in better. There’s been a lot of that lately. And that puts a little bit of a cap on the very near-term story of Zoom. And if people get to go back to their old lives, either eventually or sooner than eventually, that takes a little bit of the helium out of the Zoom stock, but, you know, [laughs] it’s still a pretty richly valued stock.
Now, some of the guidance is a little bit cautious for , because Zoom, like the rest of us, doesn’t really know what’s going to happen. And so, the massive, rapid, profitable adoption of Zoom across so many industries and so many people is great, but will everybody stick around when they have the option not to.
And Zoom doesn’t yet know, it’s optimistic that it’s providing a service that’s going to be entrenched in people’s and businesses’ lives to a great degree, but it can’t make those promises. I think that the company is known for exceeding expectations, and the guidance that it provides.
As you point out, the guidance is more conservative than Wall Street was maybe hoping for. So really, there is some inflated, you know, price earnings multiple on top of the really unbelievable growth. But, you know, it could get cut-in-half again from here, sure, but it would still quadruple, triple what it was last year.
This is similar to the recent partnership between Target and Ulta Beauty. Sephora is going to open hundreds of small beauty shops inside Kohl’s stores. They’re aiming for by next Fall and more than by That’s ambitious, but this also seems like a smart move by Kohl’s.
Barker: This is a smart move by Kohl’s. Sephora is getting out of J. And I would say what this does is, we talk sometimes floors-and-ceilings, I mean, Kohl’s was exploring what the floor was for its business back in March. So, it still had a bad year as a stock, even though it’s more than tripled in that time period.
And if Sephora were the cure-all for a retailer’s woes then J. Penney would still be thriving, right? It’s leaving intelligently, as far as picking up and taking its business away from J.
Penney and going into Kohl’s, but Sephora is not on its own going to be any more able to make Kohl’s a hot retail opportunity than it was able to do so for J. Nevertheless, Kohl’s is a better operation than J. Penney, certainly hasn’t gone through quite the disruptions that J. Penney has, but you know, keep in mind, this is more shoring up the floor than exploring the ceiling. Hill: No. But it’s absolutely something they need to do.
And it reminded me a little bit of the partnership they struck with Amazon , I’m talking about Kohl’s, of course, to provide returns within Kohl’s locations.
This gives people one more reason to actually go into a Kohl’s. Kohl’s does curbside pickup, I don’t see them promoting it in the same way that we’ve seen Target and Walmart , but those two businesses have certainly provided a blueprint for what Kohl’s could be in the future.
I don’t know. I’m not buying shares of Kohl’s, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable that the stock is up today in the way that it is. So, even though it was losing on the margins, it was buying back shares and keeping that earnings per share story reasonably consistent.
It’s not going to suffer quite as much as your J. Penney, Sears , highly mall-based stores like this, but it’s still an uphill battle against Amazon. It’s improved the online experience, but it’s got a long way to go.
Hill: Our email address is MarketFoolery Fool. Question from Sean Bryan in Harrisville, Utah, who writes, “I think there may come a time when people will look back and wonder how we justified eating animal meat, at least in the amounts that we do now?
If the War on Cash is followed by a “War on Meat,” what are the first three stocks you would put in that basket? It’s an interesting thought exercise, the obvious first stock is probably Beyond Meat , and if Impossible Foods goes public, they’re in there as well. Barker: Yeah, I guess it would depend, you know, if the war is being waged against the meat processors, right. You want to stay pretty far away from Smithfield, for instance, which is now owned by China.
But I think, obviously the Beyond Meats of the world are where you would, kind of, start with that. Is poultry being taken out too in this example?
By the way, I’m totally willing to entertain the notion that meat consumption is going to suffer as people become, one, they’ve got more opportunities to get a meat-like taste from the Beyond Meats, but, you know, an increased exposure to the story of factory farms and things like that, I could certainly see society turning its back and looking back on our generation and how much meat we eat and how we produce it as being something that is fairly horrifying to the future generations.
Hill: Well, to answer your question, Sean writes “eating animal meat,” chickens are animals, so, yeah, I guess [laughs] poultry is part of that as well. Barker: Yeah. Whereas poultry often, and has picked up from peoples moving away for purely health reasons, away from red meat, boy! Barker: Yeah, I do think these are trends that need to be considered. And I think Tyson Foods is one of those things that I wouldn’t put all of my money into or Hormel or any of those.
Hill: I also think it’s a trend that needs to be considered, I don’t think, for investors, this is as lucrative a trend, both, in the near-term or even in the long-term, as the War on Cash. And likely to be a much bloodier war too. I mean, beef and the production of it are about as central to the iconography of the American experience as you can get. If you’re like me, the fact that you have never driven a herd of cattle to the slaughterhouse, it’s probably something that you consider a failure at a certain level, as an American man.
Don’t you feel at some level, like, you’re supposed to have done that by now? It may not be a level you could even put words into; I see you struggling, but you know what I’m talking about. Hill: I think you’re talking about the movie City Slickers , which is the only passing thought I ever had of like, I wonder what that would be like.
And then by the end of the movie, I thought, well, that was a fun movie, but, no, I’m not interested in doing that. Barker: No, no, no, not as a vacation, as a, you know, you’ve got to do this or the ranch is going to have to be sold, like this level of being tied to the land and the animals and the production of your own food and all that, in a way that — look, you’re a big movie fan, you’ve watched your fair share of westerns, I mean, I’m not talking City Slickers level.
Hill: Yeah, my fair share of westerns is probably smaller than other people’s fair share of westerns. Barker: But you know, that this is laced into the American psyche.
And if you’re going to take beef away, boy! Hill: Well! And to go back to the War on Cash, how much resistance is cash putting up?
Is the U. Treasury [laughs] really Treasury Department? I’m going to say, no. Whereas to your point, yeah, the beef industry, the poultry industry, yeah, they’re going to put up a fight. Hill: Great commercial. And the fact that you have them voiced by people like Sam Elliott and Robert Mitchum, I mean, two of the all-time great voices.
So, yeah, those are — you know, again, [laughs] the U. Treasury Department is not running second commercials on television or second pre-roll ads on YouTube to be, like, “Cash.
It’s What’s In Your Wallet” like, no, they’re not doing that. Barker: Right.
Why is zoom stock down so much. Will Zoom Stock Keep Falling in 2022?
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Become a Motley Fool member today to get instant access to our top analyst recommendations, in-depth research, investing resources , and more. Learn More. Zoom Video Communications ZM In this segment of “The Five” recorded on Nov. Jason Hall: But first, let’s hit the Zoom thing again.
Zoom released earnings yesterday, stock gets smashed again today. That was 35 percent higher. It beat Wall Street’s estimates. That was a 68 percent increase, also beating Wall Street’s analysts.
It’s a big slowdown of growth. I think there were five quarters in a row or maybe six quarters where revenue was up at least percent, and it was up percent, a couple of those. Growth has slowed. But here’s the thing.
The stock today, I think it closed at a week low, if it didn’t close at it, it hit the week low at some point today, that’s for sure. We have a two-part question and Trevor actually suggested this question to us earlier today. First, Jeremy, I’m going to ask you to kick us off here, how do you react when a stock in your portfolio or maybe one you’ve been watching really closely falls that much in a single day?
Is it a buying opportunity or do you wait for the dust to clear? Jeremy Bowman: I think nobody likes to see a stock like Zoom, which I do own fall. Where was it down 17 percent today. But I think it really depends on the reason.
Sometimes, you see a case of where the stock falls and it’s very clear that the market’s reacting to short-term, there’s like, we dialed back our estimates because of the supply chain or sometimes it’s even something like, we’re reinvesting in the business, so profits are going to be a little short this next couple of quarters. I remember Target had a movement like that earlier this year.
I think sometimes it can be a good reason to double down to invest in the stock if you spot a short-term reason, but other times, it feels more structural like what we saw with Peloton a few weeks ago. That revealed a pretty big crack in the business that I think a lot of us didn’t anticipate.
I think it’s hard to have general rule for that. You have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Jason Hall: I think that’s a key thing right there. Definitely a lot of it depends. Taylor, what about you? Taylor Carmichael: That’s a good question.
What I love actually is when I know why the stock’s going down and the market is wrong, and I know the market is wrong. That just makes me exuberant. That makes me happy. A lot of times, you don’t know why. Sometimes, there’s massive moves in stocks and sometimes the whole market is going down. When you have that the whole market is going down, I just duck my head and try not to look. But when COVID was hitting a year ago, early , you knew exactly why the market was going down. There was no question about it and I was a strong bull in that mess.
I just knew we were going to come back and so it was ugly time for the stocks you’re holding, but it’s always exciting when you’re trying to buy things to get a cheaper price. Zoom’s a special case. I think these are both those times that were buying opportunities. If you missed Zoom a year-ago in early , you didn’t buy it, you didn’t jump in. Now, this might be a good time as people are getting out because Zoom’s a powerful long-term story.
But I think people like working from home. I think Zoom calls on The Motley Fool are going to continue and we’re going to keep doing this and it’s really neat ability to do your job from home or from wherever. We could travel. Airbnb on their conference call, talked about combining them with Zoom and people just traveling the world and still working.
You take your Zoom with you. You take your laptop with you, and you can work from anywhere, and how powerful that is and you couldn’t do that five years ago. In general, I think as Jeremy said, it all depends. It depends on why the stock is going down. If you know why. There could definitely be when there’s these really big moves, it can definitely be a buying opportunity, but it’s always hard to predict short-term stuff.
Jason Hall: Yeah, that’s a big key right there. Connor, I would love to hear your thoughts on this too. Connor Allen: Yeah. For me, when a stock falls a lot, as an analyst, I put more work than most people would do into each company that I own.
I know my thesis of why I own it. I know a lot about the company and it’s almost like you have a relationship with the company. You’re like, I love this company, this is the future and this is why I’m investing in it. It’s a little bit easier for me to see a 20 percent drop in a stock that I really like, and I’m just like, I’m not going to touch it, is my thesis still intact?
If so, I’m still owning this company. But it hurts me when my thesis actually is broken from something that causes a 20 percent drop. For example, Zillow , that happened this quarter when they came out and said that they were stopping their iBuying process, I sold the company because that was proof that the optionality that I thought they had wasn’t going to work out.
I thought that was going to be a cash cow for the business. When that happened and the stock sunk 20 percent, that hurt. Jason Hall: It fell for a clear reason and a legitimate reason.
The thesis for the business completely changed, just like that. Connor Allen: Yeah, I was just saying, when you look at what has happened to a lot of companies this quarter is even when they have a good earnings report and they fall percent, Upstart’s a great example for me, where I’m like, I’m buying this. There is times to buy the dip and there are times to sell on the dip, and I think that’s what a lot of investors just don’t understand that every dip is not a buying opportunity.
But when it is, it can be great, and for a lot of investors. Jason Hall: I think to me the key is that We should buy regularly for most people, to have a regular cadence of buying and investing and once you own it, you follow the business and the thesis and then your glacial about changing anything. If you’re planning to add money, that makes sense.
But I think for me the best practice I found is slowing everything down. Don’t do anything quickly. Because unless I know like you’re talking about, Connor, like Zoom for an example, Zoom is like the rare example where without the Fool’s disclosure guidelines, I would have bought Zoom stock today. I absolutely would because I know the business down. I was up to AM doing a cash-flow workup of trying to value the business over the next 10 years.
I had pretty legitimate reason why I was ready to act quickly because I believe in this business and I want to own more of it. But I think in general, the best thing for most people to do it for me absolutely it’s to slow it down and almost always works out better if I just add an extra day before I do whatever I’m going to do and make sure why am I making this decision? Am I making it because the price fell, or am I making it because I think this is an incredible business that I want to own long term, and if it’s the former and not the latter, then I’m making a mistake.
Adding that extra day and even if the stock price, maybe tomorrow, Zoom stock goes up 10 percent and I miss the perfect opportunity, so what? Maybe the more I think about it and maybe I’ll come to the conclusion that maybe I don’t need to add Zoom.
Maybe there’s enough, maybe I need to be buying more Upstart. I think slowing the process down and not letting those impulses, whatever they are, make the decision is the healthiest thing most of us can do.
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